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Contemporary Secular or Relativistic Morality

Posted by tawodi on April 5, 2012


This is from the Military,com forums, where I regularly contribute to the exchanges there between active service members and Veterans who participate.

When I started this thread I fully expected to meet with a storm of resistance. Well I haven’t really and those that disagree seem to be holding their fire so far, as perhaps they research their responses.

I applaud them for that, as it is, as it should be, for a discussion to proceed so as to approach a concensus. Not that there will ever really BE a concensus as too many variables exist to do so….we, none of us, myself included, can convince others we have an answer much less all the answers, to either side of the question.

Now I will proceed to perhaps the pre-eminent of those lauded by atheists and agnostics, and others, who attempt to refute the connections to humanity and the consideration of linkage between morals and conscience. Dr. Richard Dawkins.

In 2006 he published a treatise that purported to present the “scientific argument” against free will and personal responsibility.

In his treatise he surmised that mankind was strictly a product of our environmental conditions in which we were raised by our parents and the place, family framework, social structure and surrounding social environment.

Now this weighty tome was quite the read,  if you lack a brain,  because the whole thing is flawed by positing the argument that it did.  I for one,  being living proof of that flaw and so, damned near, is most of humanity in the modern world especially here in America.

Why? Well since the entire theory posits that we will be so heavily influenced by our prior experiences we are incapable of changing ourselves or our surroundings by an exercise of free will.

In point of fact this publication also went so far as to proclaim with great fanfare among the intelligentsia of the liberal elite, that free will not only didn’t exist, but that it was impossible….FOR…… IT TO EXIST!

Now when you begin to examine the flaws and failures of this modern society we live in
You MUST consider,  that the modern liberal Psychiatric community and that of the Psychological associations agree almost to a person that this is so. Beginning with good old Sigmund Freud,  Jungian theories and so many others,  if you want to know who go look it up yourself, I ’haven’t the time ! In fact Dawkins even made these following statements in this tome of intelligent comments, which I quote for your edification. Don’t thank me, too many people take this man seriously!

1. “Doesn’t a truly scientific, mechanistic view of the human nervous system make nonsense of the very idea of responsibility?”

2. Any crime, however heinous, is in principle to be blamed on antecedent conditions acting through the accused’s physiology, heredity and environment.”

3. Dawkins even made the statement that…and I quote once again, “ Isn’t the murderer or rapist just a machine with a defective part?”

Now how to put this in perspective? First you must understand I may be guilty of condensing it just a smidgeon! Trust me,  there was a whole lot more verbiage and bluster and quite frankly, bloviating,  to cover any apparent errors in judgement or need I say….reasoning?

How can I get you to grasp my meaning but by anology. You know I love them!

You are driving your car to somewhere….it breaks down…..you step from the vehicle with an iron bar and begin beating the car with it!!

This what Dawkins and others are suggesting! There is no point to punishing people for their crimes…THEY HAD NO CHOICE!! They’ve got a bad transmission…or something!

Now so you can understand further,  let us go back in time to the Menedez Brother’s trial for the double murder of their mother and father. If the memory is fuzzy I will clear it for you,  then you can remember your disbelief and rage at the verdict.

ENTER; The frizzy headed blond ( blond….?  is there a joke here?) no, unfortunately there is not. I certainly wish I could be more emphatic, but you can only do so much with italics!

She was the one hold out on the Jury, which caused the Judge to declare a mistrial. In front of the cameras she Quite emotionally stated……” I could NOT vote for conviction!” “They are ORPHANS!”

I saw it,  most of you saw it,  it was all over television for days, remember? Well I certainly do. How about the O.J. trial? There has never been a trial presented with so much clear and damning evidence presented in modern America as that one…..the verdict? Not guilty.

Do you now begin to see what happens when everybodies looking for a pass! This is the world we live in now.

Now are there humans with little or even NO…. conscience? You bet the pants hanger behind you there are!  BUT, do they get a pass to continue to prey on humanity because they’ve got “bad parts” Or do we lock them up and throw away the ROOM if we have to…. to protect others…. never MIND punishment…Or even worse….. correction.

No Prison ever corrected anyone ever! It only “educated them that if they did that or some thing worse there would be a penalty for it…WHY? Because WE as a society SAID SO…….THAT”S….. WHY!! Some things are right…. somethings are wrong….CHOOSE WISELY…….sound familiar? It should.

So…to surmise what does all this mean. Well they mean on the serious side that the denial of free will is neither scientific nor sensible. One may say with all seriousness that science is,  that science that depends on cause and effect to be understood….. as science!

The study of conscience is far more difficult, in that it consists of minutia so small, over so long a time, as to be virtually indecipherable even with a computer. We can study the squiggles on an E.E.G. chart but to decipher what they mean, except in the physical aspects of them, is impossible! We cannot read the squiggles with out the patient telling us what they were thinking! This is also irrefutable.

To suggest that conscience is from the physical is ludicrous in the extreme….Wanna know why….not even you some times know why you “did” something! So explain to me how is THAT possible if it’s all physical. And yes I know about the lizard brain…..and it’s no frigging excuse for your actions except in times of almost fatal stress and reaction!
Times of passion don’t cut it in my book I ALWAYS knew what I was doing no matter how Pzzzd I was!!  What stopped me from acting,  was the knowledge of the consequences, to me, the focus of the anger, (which isn’t always another person) or to my family. Threaten them or me physically then it didn’t matter to me, you’re going down and then we might discuss further developments! My conscience was engaged every second of the confrontation and you’d better believe I knew it! So I refuse to buy the cheap crap excuses we hear every day from these fools that have brought this upon us and insist in forcing us to swallow it .

Free will A modest scientist would immediately concede that science says nothing at all about free will as a spirituality, anymore than it can deny the existence of God.
A materialistic or mechanistic view of the universe that leaves no room for the possibility of spiritual realities, is not a scientific one at all but a philosophical one. There is nothing scientific about denying that possibility.

Now we come to the chicken or the egg part of the discussion. Which came first…conscience or free will.

Well Theologically you MUST have conscience….. to HAVE free will! That is what your conscience is…. FOR! To allow you to choose. The right from the wrong…simple ain’t it…till you use it to solve real life problems THAT presents the difficulties I mentioned before and need not be restated here. Why do you NEED to be able to choose? Well if you have no choice then you DON’T have free will do you? Again Theologically speaking The first commandment (per Jesus) IS…”Love the Lord God with all your heart, all your spirit, all your mind and all your strength”

Without free will there is no love.  There can not be with no choice in the matter. In the case of no choice why would you even need a mind! You would not, everything would be rote repetition of previous experience. I have seen all the arguments about birds build nests and yes they do and according to their species they all build them somewhat differently don’t they…..Why don’t doves all build different KINDS of nests to support that argument. Why don’t beavers build condominiums….. instead of dams with sticks and mud…yeah they’er pretty good dams….. but not much good for anything else are they? That is NOT creation of the new is it? It is rote learned repetition as that is all they are capable of.

And so it is with free will and conscience with out one there is no need of the other.

So here’s the deal folks! You can continue to live with your scientific theories as your sole form of accepting you existence….I will live with my spirituality as mine.

You can NOT prove quite a bit of what you present most times, neither can I at least to you who have never experienced the spiritual in a believable, to you, way.

Be well friends…………..Rev Bruce………………….Tawodi

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Questions from a young man about religion

Posted by tawodi on March 16, 2010


On another forum where I post ideas and articles a young man posed these questions and here are my answers to him.

Is there a god?

The question should be, is there empirical proof, (universally accepted) of God? The answer is, only as revealed. Why is that the case? I really don’t know. But I believe it has to do with free will.

Why must their be a God or gods?

It seems to be a human imperative driven by our mortality, when examined on the surface of it. But, there are also instances of people resisting with every fiber of their being the call of God and then submitting to His will.

Why is God ever changing?

He/She/It; is NOT, people are! When a person reads, or is taught, some criteria that makes them adhere to a tennet or precept that they don’t agree with, they go shopping for another church, religion or God, that is more in keeping with what they want to believe.

Why does God require faith?

If you dismiss what God wants of you, why should you recieve any of God’s gifts?
” If you want all that I offer, give to me all that is mine.” That sentence pretty well says it all. And, people don’t WANT to give everything that is God’s to him.

Is doubt good, or bad?

Doubt is niether, it simply IS. But we can take comfort in the first of Jesus’ great commands. “Love the lord God with all your heart all your strength and all your MIND. Surely if you do these things the doors of Heaven will be open to you.” You notice don’t you, the MIND is a requirement? You must apply your intellect to fully appreciate the roll of faith in your life….being a mind numbed robot won’t cut it!

Why is there evil?

With out evil, there is no good, or at least you would not understand what good is. Dominion is the reason why there is a balance of one to another, CHOICE is a derivative of free will and that means you have a CHOICE and the responsibilty to use it!! You don’t and will NEVER get off the hook for your choices. Sorry about that, there are consequences for your choices.

Can there be good without religion?

Silly question, of course there can! The only thing in question is, “Who shall call it good?” Everything becomes subjective instead of objective. We think we can assign values of good and evil or at least value neutral, which I have heard so much about. But, trust me, for every good thing you can name, somebody else can give you, or formulate, a very good reason why it just isn’t so!! This in our world is called “relativism” and what it means is as follows.
[……[]……] This is a balnced line it is value neutral on one side or the other.
[………[]…] This line is a line from real life. It represents your position on an issue in relation to someone else’s opinion….you lose, the only question is…do you live or are you killed for that opinion? You can see there are nine people who believe differently than the three on your side.They set the agenda as there is no externally applied morality in effect.

Now in America we were constructed as a nation with the idea that our “creator” endowed us with “certain inalienable rights” and you have heard all the rest . The constitution was constructed to enshrine those rights as inviolate and the government so constructed to ensure that niether it, nor any other entity, had the right, or ability, to take them away from you and indeed would engage it’s armed forces to protect those rights for you unto the death!
Simple lesson: Ask anyone what rights the constitution gives you…the instant that they say “well it gives you”….you know they are full of sheepdip!! The constitution doensn’t give you ANY rights, it protects the ones you HAVE from any and all challenges! We are the ONLY nation on earth formed this way. That is why people like me are so damned stubborn when it comes to screwing around with the meanings inherent in that great document!!

Why are those who do not believe, punished?

They are not. They chose to ignore or defy the things that God wants of them. So they have stated or lived in such a way that says sorry big guy, I ain’t interested! So they have separated themselves from God….He doesn’t like it, but He’s O.K. with that. It is after all YOUR CHOICE!! I do not believe in hell, the early scripture says the wages of “sin are death” theologically this is provable. Sooooo that’s the way it is. POOF you’re outta here! You DID say that was the way you wanted it, isn’t it??

Is Science supportive or disproving of God?

It at present is niether, it is neutral, it can niether prove nor disprove God. But there are empirical proofs that ocassionally crop up. But that is for another time with much more space than we have here!

Is religion in ANY form dangerous?

Any thing in extreme is DANGEROUS!! It doesn’t have to be religion, it can be anti religion, as practiced in the U.S.S.R. and in China and N Korea today.

Is religion in any form good?

You have given your answer and I tentatively agree with it. Keeping in mind of course that religion, combined with the power of the state, is deadly…always!!

Good job for a young guy of trying to examine a touchy subject.

Rev. Bruce Holzrichter…………..Tawodi

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GREETINGS FOR MEMORIAL DAY

Posted by tawodi on May 21, 2008


GREETINGS FROM THE TREE OF THE MUSTARD SEED AND IT’S PEOPLE;

This dedication is to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces worldwide.
And to all those Veterans, living and passed on.

They serve and have served, all of humanity by their selfless sacrifice to bring Liberty to the oppressed of the world and to maintain it here, in the United States of America.

Historically we, as a Nation, have pursued the dream, with all of our faults, that the rest of the world does not understand, is still alive in the heart of every American, man or woman, serving and living, liberal or conservative, religious or not, anywhere in the world today.

This, a dream, that constitutes our reality and continues to enable, this great People to reach for the stars, even though we may stumble and fall at times.

It is this dream that enables us to rise above the individual, whom we cherish and, march as a people to ever greater endeavors to enrich the future of all humanity.

To do so enriches us not in a worldly sense but, in what ever concept of human dignity one may hold. To uplift the one, is to uplift the many. To oppress the one, is to oppress the many. Thus it has ever been and so shall it ever be, in the minds of a truly free, great people, who wish nothing more than to spread it to the hearts, of all mankind.

From the Congregation;

This is to signify that YOU, by your service and contributions. Have taken to heart the foregoing and by so doing, you recognize the family of MAN and WOMAN KIND.

Whether it is by belief in a higher power, Or belief in the powerful synergy of collective conscience and human endeavor, YOU have recognized we ARE a family and you, by your service, have done and are doing your utmost, to uphold that truth.

If you have the faith of a grain of mustard seed you can move mountains. This you have proved by your selfless service. We as your indebted fellow citizens, have that faith in you, and as such, we offer to you our thanks and, humbly accept the gifts, you so honorably have given us.

THANK YOU

The Tree of The Mustard Seed,   Dennisport ma.  166 Upper County Rd. 02639      Rev, Bruce Holzrichter………………Tawodi

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