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Contemporary Secular or Relativistic Morality

Posted by tawodi on April 5, 2012


This is from the Military,com forums, where I regularly contribute to the exchanges there between active service members and Veterans who participate.

When I started this thread I fully expected to meet with a storm of resistance. Well I haven’t really and those that disagree seem to be holding their fire so far, as perhaps they research their responses.

I applaud them for that, as it is, as it should be, for a discussion to proceed so as to approach a concensus. Not that there will ever really BE a concensus as too many variables exist to do so….we, none of us, myself included, can convince others we have an answer much less all the answers, to either side of the question.

Now I will proceed to perhaps the pre-eminent of those lauded by atheists and agnostics, and others, who attempt to refute the connections to humanity and the consideration of linkage between morals and conscience. Dr. Richard Dawkins.

In 2006 he published a treatise that purported to present the “scientific argument” against free will and personal responsibility.

In his treatise he surmised that mankind was strictly a product of our environmental conditions in which we were raised by our parents and the place, family framework, social structure and surrounding social environment.

Now this weighty tome was quite the read,  if you lack a brain,  because the whole thing is flawed by positing the argument that it did.  I for one,  being living proof of that flaw and so, damned near, is most of humanity in the modern world especially here in America.

Why? Well since the entire theory posits that we will be so heavily influenced by our prior experiences we are incapable of changing ourselves or our surroundings by an exercise of free will.

In point of fact this publication also went so far as to proclaim with great fanfare among the intelligentsia of the liberal elite, that free will not only didn’t exist, but that it was impossible….FOR…… IT TO EXIST!

Now when you begin to examine the flaws and failures of this modern society we live in
You MUST consider,  that the modern liberal Psychiatric community and that of the Psychological associations agree almost to a person that this is so. Beginning with good old Sigmund Freud,  Jungian theories and so many others,  if you want to know who go look it up yourself, I ’haven’t the time ! In fact Dawkins even made these following statements in this tome of intelligent comments, which I quote for your edification. Don’t thank me, too many people take this man seriously!

1. “Doesn’t a truly scientific, mechanistic view of the human nervous system make nonsense of the very idea of responsibility?”

2. Any crime, however heinous, is in principle to be blamed on antecedent conditions acting through the accused’s physiology, heredity and environment.”

3. Dawkins even made the statement that…and I quote once again, “ Isn’t the murderer or rapist just a machine with a defective part?”

Now how to put this in perspective? First you must understand I may be guilty of condensing it just a smidgeon! Trust me,  there was a whole lot more verbiage and bluster and quite frankly, bloviating,  to cover any apparent errors in judgement or need I say….reasoning?

How can I get you to grasp my meaning but by anology. You know I love them!

You are driving your car to somewhere….it breaks down…..you step from the vehicle with an iron bar and begin beating the car with it!!

This what Dawkins and others are suggesting! There is no point to punishing people for their crimes…THEY HAD NO CHOICE!! They’ve got a bad transmission…or something!

Now so you can understand further,  let us go back in time to the Menedez Brother’s trial for the double murder of their mother and father. If the memory is fuzzy I will clear it for you,  then you can remember your disbelief and rage at the verdict.

ENTER; The frizzy headed blond ( blond….?  is there a joke here?) no, unfortunately there is not. I certainly wish I could be more emphatic, but you can only do so much with italics!

She was the one hold out on the Jury, which caused the Judge to declare a mistrial. In front of the cameras she Quite emotionally stated……” I could NOT vote for conviction!” “They are ORPHANS!”

I saw it,  most of you saw it,  it was all over television for days, remember? Well I certainly do. How about the O.J. trial? There has never been a trial presented with so much clear and damning evidence presented in modern America as that one…..the verdict? Not guilty.

Do you now begin to see what happens when everybodies looking for a pass! This is the world we live in now.

Now are there humans with little or even NO…. conscience? You bet the pants hanger behind you there are!  BUT, do they get a pass to continue to prey on humanity because they’ve got “bad parts” Or do we lock them up and throw away the ROOM if we have to…. to protect others…. never MIND punishment…Or even worse….. correction.

No Prison ever corrected anyone ever! It only “educated them that if they did that or some thing worse there would be a penalty for it…WHY? Because WE as a society SAID SO…….THAT”S….. WHY!! Some things are right…. somethings are wrong….CHOOSE WISELY…….sound familiar? It should.

So…to surmise what does all this mean. Well they mean on the serious side that the denial of free will is neither scientific nor sensible. One may say with all seriousness that science is,  that science that depends on cause and effect to be understood….. as science!

The study of conscience is far more difficult, in that it consists of minutia so small, over so long a time, as to be virtually indecipherable even with a computer. We can study the squiggles on an E.E.G. chart but to decipher what they mean, except in the physical aspects of them, is impossible! We cannot read the squiggles with out the patient telling us what they were thinking! This is also irrefutable.

To suggest that conscience is from the physical is ludicrous in the extreme….Wanna know why….not even you some times know why you “did” something! So explain to me how is THAT possible if it’s all physical. And yes I know about the lizard brain…..and it’s no frigging excuse for your actions except in times of almost fatal stress and reaction!
Times of passion don’t cut it in my book I ALWAYS knew what I was doing no matter how Pzzzd I was!!  What stopped me from acting,  was the knowledge of the consequences, to me, the focus of the anger, (which isn’t always another person) or to my family. Threaten them or me physically then it didn’t matter to me, you’re going down and then we might discuss further developments! My conscience was engaged every second of the confrontation and you’d better believe I knew it! So I refuse to buy the cheap crap excuses we hear every day from these fools that have brought this upon us and insist in forcing us to swallow it .

Free will A modest scientist would immediately concede that science says nothing at all about free will as a spirituality, anymore than it can deny the existence of God.
A materialistic or mechanistic view of the universe that leaves no room for the possibility of spiritual realities, is not a scientific one at all but a philosophical one. There is nothing scientific about denying that possibility.

Now we come to the chicken or the egg part of the discussion. Which came first…conscience or free will.

Well Theologically you MUST have conscience….. to HAVE free will! That is what your conscience is…. FOR! To allow you to choose. The right from the wrong…simple ain’t it…till you use it to solve real life problems THAT presents the difficulties I mentioned before and need not be restated here. Why do you NEED to be able to choose? Well if you have no choice then you DON’T have free will do you? Again Theologically speaking The first commandment (per Jesus) IS…”Love the Lord God with all your heart, all your spirit, all your mind and all your strength”

Without free will there is no love.  There can not be with no choice in the matter. In the case of no choice why would you even need a mind! You would not, everything would be rote repetition of previous experience. I have seen all the arguments about birds build nests and yes they do and according to their species they all build them somewhat differently don’t they…..Why don’t doves all build different KINDS of nests to support that argument. Why don’t beavers build condominiums….. instead of dams with sticks and mud…yeah they’er pretty good dams….. but not much good for anything else are they? That is NOT creation of the new is it? It is rote learned repetition as that is all they are capable of.

And so it is with free will and conscience with out one there is no need of the other.

So here’s the deal folks! You can continue to live with your scientific theories as your sole form of accepting you existence….I will live with my spirituality as mine.

You can NOT prove quite a bit of what you present most times, neither can I at least to you who have never experienced the spiritual in a believable, to you, way.

Be well friends…………..Rev Bruce………………….Tawodi

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A SIMPLE QUESTION ASKED…….What did early Christian meetings look like..?

Posted by tawodi on March 22, 2012


As most of you know I spend time on the Military. com site. While there I and others are asked many questions about religion and the duties of Clergy in general. I took this opportunity to answer one and thought to bring it here for you to ponder and consider…. those very early days before we had sects and divisions, there was only one WAY to follow. that of Jesus the Massiach.

[QUOTE] Early Christian meetings were primarily centered around a shared meal. [UNQUOTE] CPL BUCKLEY.

That was one thing that would stand out. It was called a love feast in those times, something that still exists as Lay ministers and others can do this instead of consecrating the elements of the Eucharist, which they cannot. If the host is blessed by someone in the Apostolic line of succession, (something rather hazy today) then the laity can hold Communion services, which of course is considered a Sacrament.

Baptism is also a Sacrament and there are only two such in most protestant churches, unlike the Catholic Church which considers many rituals Sacraments….such as marriage for instance. In protestant churches the oath, between the woman and the man, is the Sacrament, not the ceremony.

Of course that is not true in some of them!

After the feast, they would discuss Scripture and since they had only what is now known as the Old Testament that was the Holy book under discussion. Most of these discussion centered around prophesy, as one can understand.

As Peter, Silas, Paul, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, (Saul of Tarsus) Ananias, Phillip, Mathias, and Matthew, travelled a bit and some of course on missionary journeys of many miles and great lengths of time, they exchanged ideas, letters and word of mouth communications with one congregation or another. They became known as “Followers of The Way” The symbol, as most know, was the fish…as per Jesus telling the first disciples, “Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men”

The Chrysanthamum and the Rose were also early symbols of Christianity as well. It was somewhere around 60 to 75 A.D. that the Cross started to be used as the Christian symbol of the sect. The Chrysanthemum was used on funerary things like Ossuaries and tomb markings, to symbolize the return of life with resurrection.

Three of these are still used today. The Cross of course the fish and the Rose. When some thing is to be kept secret for instance, a rose is placed in a tall vase on the table and then the conversation takes place. After the conversation the rose is burned and the vase is destroyed marking the end of the secret session. From this comes the phrase, “Under the Rose”, to imply the utmost secrecy of the subject at hand. Also the red of the Rose is used to designate the red color and sacrifice of the Sacred heart, as well as it being said that apparitions of Mary, are always accompanied by the scent of roses.

And so, the Followers of the way progressed to ever more formally conducted meetings of prayer, sermonizing, (teaching or “preaching” which means the same thing) and ritual. Which at first consisted of telling the sayings that the disciples and others who remembered Jesus as having said…. and then, finally, about 40 A.D. they began to be written down.

Before you jump my “stuff”. Let me explain that fragments from this period are still in hand with-in the Vatican library/museum, but are virtually useless for any purpose. They DO have over nine hundred fragments from those times but the earliest useful tracts, that exist today, are from about one fifty to two hundred A.D. as most already know.

About eighty years ago it was thought that one of the first copies of “Revelations” of St. John of Patmos had been found, but carbon dating left it in doubt as samples of enough size failed to be obtained, and so it goes.

So, as you can see…. those early meetings were much like today’s house gatherings of worshippers to feast, discuss, worship and share in the experience, of forming a relationship of a personal nature with God, and Jesus The Christ…to enrich their lives in understanding and fellowship.

Be well friends….Rev. Bruce……………………..Tawodi

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Duck your head there’s a war out there

Posted by tawodi on October 2, 2007


This was written on June tenth 2007 and comes from my blog titled Life Religion Family.
By reading this you will begin to see who and what we are and what we are up against join us it’s our country too and eventualy, God willing ,our world to live in as the article states, in peace.

THERE’S A WAR, and it’s not what you might think it would be, or even, WHO, it would be!! I was on some different venues over the last few days and got slam dunked a couple of times from….you guessed it!! Fellow Christians.

What is so hard to understand about acceptance?? I don’t follow the tennets of Islam, but to listen to some of these people I’m the worst thing to come down the pike since Judas Iscariot!!!
Nothing about me has changed, I still preach the word of God, to us, through Jesus Christ and the New Testament, I still do Hospice work, with all that it entails, I still visit the sick and the shut in’s who can’t travel to church and worship, or just need to see another human being once in a while, and of course do this work of reconciliation, proudly might I add, to stand with so many who seek peace through understanding.

I am starting to see something very disturbing out there and what it is, flies in the face of all we have been taught as Christians.It is written that Jesus said “I am sending you out as sheep among wolves, be thee therefore as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves.” I had somebody quote this to me, in an attempt to show me the error of my ways!!!

I couldn’t believe what I was seeing, he completely forgot the part about the doves!! It seems that there is, out there, a certain percentage of people who believe that the Muslims are the children of Satan and will be the armies of the anti Christ and the sooner the war comes the sooner we all get to be with Jesus in His Heaven…….Frightening to say the least!!

First off, it seems to me to be the height of arrogance on the part of some because we are told, “ No man knoweth the hour of His coming, only the Father.” We are to be as watchmen on the wall, ready, but not to stop living in the world, but to live in such a way that we may be worthy of His heaven, not force the coming of it!!! As if we could!!!

The open condemnation of literally, billions of human beings to the fires of hell, is to them it seems, almost eagerly looked forward to, almost like some kind of cosmic wienie roast, to which we, as Christians, have been invited to attend and enjoy!!
GOD, sweet loving Christ, PROTECT US!!! From such as these, who it would seem, gleefully anticipate the deaths of billiions to feel some kind of wierd justifcation in their faith.
Are the people of other faiths to be saved?? Are they to be condemned by God as sinners?? Maybe, or perhaps definitely, but I can gaurantee one thing for certain sure, there is no human being on this green earth that is supposed to do it!!! God tells us again and again, not to do that, it is HIS province to judge mens hearts, NOT OURS!!!

For centuries we condemned the Jews, only to find through exegitical studies, that they are still the people of the covenant!! They will be given the chance according to scripture to profess Jesus as Lord. We are taught through scripture that those who but live in the world, also serve the Lord our God and will be judged from their deeds, written in the book of life. by GOD, not us!! We are taught in the Lords prayer to ask to not, be led into temptation, and what do they do!!! Assume they know the mind of God, in regard to the ultimate disposition of billions of human beings, Sweet Lord, what arrogance!! It is unbelievable to me, that so many would fail so utterly to understand, the basic tennets of our faith this way!!!

I have seen time and again these people give explanations of the Quoran, when it is so incredibly obvious, they have no clue about their own Bible and, what it says in regard to these matters of guilt and innocence in matters of faith.

First there are millions of American Muslims right here in this country who have never hurt anyone and never will, they are innocent. There are literally more than a billion others, who the same thing can be said for, they are innocent !!

Are there monsters out there? YES, must they be dealt with, unfortunately, in the only way open to us to deal with them? YES, But the innocent must NOT be condemned along with them.
There are monsters among us, who call ourselves Christians, and they call themselves Christians too, and they must be dealt with also, hopefully, before we reach the point that we have reached with the terrorists of the world, but dealt with none the less. there is NO gainsaying that. I would have to be a fool to believe otherwise and I like to think, I am not a fool.
Some have accused me of trying to start some wierd hybrid Christian, Muslim religion, balderdash, this is no such thing. The people involved in this intend to leave the religion, or lack of it, in others, STRICTLY, alone. It is none of our business what some one believes, only that they believe, you and I and them, have the right, not to be murdered, for that belief!!! We have the right, to demand that our children prosper in their beliefs and have a better life than we have had. Not to be murdered because they are of a certain faith, or race, or sex.

Look to the right side of the post in the column, you will find places to go and learn about the efforts of thousands to bring peace to this mud ball before we blow it up. You need not profess their faith, just understand, they have a right to it, as human beings and as you study, you will find not one of them is authorised by God, or Jesus Christ, or Muhammad, to kill you for your faith. Yes the Quoran talks of wars in the early years against pagans and, now perverted cultural influences and governments are using it to twist their people to war, but so are those who profess to be Christians!!! help us stop this, at least in America, where we have religious freedom, at least for now, stop this, while there is still time.

In the name of Christ we pray…..Amen………. Rev. Bruce…………………………… Tawodi

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Information Post. General info.

Posted by tawodi on September 30, 2007


This was a morning post at my Life Religion Family blog on the wordpress platform.

We are beginning to reach out to other organizations as we become better known. The purpose of this is obvious, but the way we will do it is going to be entirely different than that which has gone before. What has to be realized is that many people have put in years or even decades of faithfull service in all kinds of ways to promote peace and have a huge personal stake in what they are doing and just how they do it. It is with this in mind that we are considering a federation kind of organization. What this means is we will communicate and co-ordinate what we do and how we affiliate with them and accomodate their approach,slant and methods, which will leave them as an intact oganization, as well as us being that . The common term would be allies but, it will, and must be, a deeper connection than that.
Alliances usually are temporary things, that work toward short term goals. One thing we are aware of and, you too must become aware of, is that this is no short term goal. I’m 61 someone will have to pick up the torch in the future from me, and others, as time goes by, that is the nature of this. This is bigger than me, you, a small group, large group, even nations.
At least that is the hope. We are relatively small yet, but have talked with people all over the world. They Live in places where the hope of peace is a distant dream and they tell us, that it seems they are never going to see a day where their children can play outside, safely, a sad thought and one that is coming to our country if we don’t get it together, educate ourselves and stop the insanity before it starts ….along with the killing. Don’t say it can’t happen here, neither could sept. eleventh 2001.

I thought that this info. could come here too, as it is pertinent to this site and how we are going to proceed.

Be well, take care…………..Rev. Bruce……………………………………..Tawodi

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